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	<title>Comments on: Obligatory Victimization Lamentations</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cineris</title>
		<link>http://www.cineris.org/blog/2007/05/21/obligatory-victimization-lamentations/#comment-26316</link>
		<dc:creator>Cineris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 01:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="26314"]Well, while this article is old, it's still satisfying to say that Alltel just got bought by VZW.  That's right.  The little, nerdy Verizon guy just put a dog-collar on "Chad" that says, "Verizon".

He owns you now, Chad.[/quote]

Ha, that's a funny take on it Dave. I'm just hoping the buyout means I can stop having to see those Alltel commercials. All commercials are horrible, but at least Verizon's tend to be corporately bland rather than somewhat offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>%name said:</p>
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Well, while this article is old, it&#8217;s still satisfying to say that Alltel just got bought by VZW.  That&#8217;s right.  The little, nerdy Verizon guy just put a dog-collar on &#8220;Chad&#8221; that says, &#8220;Verizon&#8221;.</p>
<p>He owns you now, Chad.</p>
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<p>Ha, that&#8217;s a funny take on it Dave. I&#8217;m just hoping the buyout means I can stop having to see those Alltel commercials. All commercials are horrible, but at least Verizon&#8217;s tend to be corporately bland rather than somewhat offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.cineris.org/blog/2007/05/21/obligatory-victimization-lamentations/#comment-26314</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, while this article is old, it's still satisfying to say that Alltel just got bought by VZW.  That's right.  The little, nerdy Verizon guy just put a dog-collar on "Chad" that says, "Verizon".  

He owns you now, Chad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, while this article is old, it&#8217;s still satisfying to say that Alltel just got bought by VZW.  That&#8217;s right.  The little, nerdy Verizon guy just put a dog-collar on &#8220;Chad&#8221; that says, &#8220;Verizon&#8221;.  </p>
<p>He owns you now, Chad.</p>
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		<title>By: PicaroMT</title>
		<link>http://www.cineris.org/blog/2007/05/21/obligatory-victimization-lamentations/#comment-24382</link>
		<dc:creator>PicaroMT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also dislike Alltel's portrayal of D&#38;D players as geeks.  In the commercial they use the word Dungeon Master.  That is a copyrighted phrase owned by WotC.  WotC should sue Alltel for damages caused by their commercial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also dislike Alltel&#8217;s portrayal of D&amp;D players as geeks.  In the commercial they use the word Dungeon Master.  That is a copyrighted phrase owned by WotC.  WotC should sue Alltel for damages caused by their commercial.</p>
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		<title>By: Cineris</title>
		<link>http://www.cineris.org/blog/2007/05/21/obligatory-victimization-lamentations/#comment-19465</link>
		<dc:creator>Cineris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 02:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ArcoJedi:

I don't really feel victimized either. Though I've employed (and attempted to subvert) a certain style of discourse in the post, for the most part I'm pretty apathetic to the whole thing. I do think it'd be nice if, for the first time in the history of the world, D&#038;D wasn't used as a synonym for dysfunctional people or actions, but I won't be losing any sleep over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ArcoJedi:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really feel victimized either. Though I&#8217;ve employed (and attempted to subvert) a certain style of discourse in the post, for the most part I&#8217;m pretty apathetic to the whole thing. I do think it&#8217;d be nice if, for the first time in the history of the world, D&#038;D wasn&#8217;t used as a synonym for dysfunctional people or actions, but I won&#8217;t be losing any sleep over it.</p>
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		<title>By: ArcoJedi</title>
		<link>http://www.cineris.org/blog/2007/05/21/obligatory-victimization-lamentations/#comment-19464</link>
		<dc:creator>ArcoJedi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 05:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I have to admit that I hadn't thought of it this way and even after reading your post, I don't actually feel all that victimized.  Certainly Alltel's commercial is stupid and stereotypical and pretty low humor.  But there are a lot more demeaning and stupid things in all types of advertising that we should be getting upset about.

In truth, advertisers as a profession have a very very poor reputation of making fun of the people they are trying to sell their products to.  It was common for many years that women were portrayed in a subservient, inferior or degrading way, but nowadays the hammer has swung a bit the other way just as much.  Watch any commercial where there is a family unit including Dad, Mom and kids and I'll bet my left nostril the father is the 'stupid' one or the comic relief.  For instance, McDonalds has a Spiderman III promotion where the dad is practicing his spidey moves upside down in the backyard and gest attacked by a squirrel.  Another cell phone company touts their free text/pix to anyone on any network and Dad tells the kids that they "can now afford for Mom to quit her second job" as a giant TACO.

You are on the right track though.  Advertising just annoys me most of the time, but I guess without it we'd all be Communists (and that whole concept worked out _so well_ in practice for the USSR).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I have to admit that I hadn&#8217;t thought of it this way and even after reading your post, I don&#8217;t actually feel all that victimized.  Certainly Alltel&#8217;s commercial is stupid and stereotypical and pretty low humor.  But there are a lot more demeaning and stupid things in all types of advertising that we should be getting upset about.</p>
<p>In truth, advertisers as a profession have a very very poor reputation of making fun of the people they are trying to sell their products to.  It was common for many years that women were portrayed in a subservient, inferior or degrading way, but nowadays the hammer has swung a bit the other way just as much.  Watch any commercial where there is a family unit including Dad, Mom and kids and I&#8217;ll bet my left nostril the father is the &#8217;stupid&#8217; one or the comic relief.  For instance, McDonalds has a Spiderman III promotion where the dad is practicing his spidey moves upside down in the backyard and gest attacked by a squirrel.  Another cell phone company touts their free text/pix to anyone on any network and Dad tells the kids that they &#8220;can now afford for Mom to quit her second job&#8221; as a giant TACO.</p>
<p>You are on the right track though.  Advertising just annoys me most of the time, but I guess without it we&#8217;d all be Communists (and that whole concept worked out _so well_ in practice for the USSR).</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.cineris.org/blog/2007/05/21/obligatory-victimization-lamentations/#comment-19462</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 15:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. No one uses Alltel anyways!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. No one uses Alltel anyways!</p>
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		<title>By: bbot</title>
		<link>http://www.cineris.org/blog/2007/05/21/obligatory-victimization-lamentations/#comment-19461</link>
		<dc:creator>bbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Henceforth, I call for all humans and demi-humans"

Neeeeeeeeeerd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Henceforth, I call for all humans and demi-humans&#8221;</p>
<p>Neeeeeeeeeerd</p>
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		<title>By: Twenty Sided &#187; Catching up</title>
		<link>http://www.cineris.org/blog/2007/05/21/obligatory-victimization-lamentations/#comment-19460</link>
		<dc:creator>Twenty Sided &#187; Catching up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 12:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cineris has a great post up on some anti-nerdist advertising. Er. Nerdisim? Nerdaphobia? He also has a post on his first impressions of Final Fantasy XII. His thoughs on the game are similar to mine, although thankfully he wasn&#8217;t baffled by the plot the way I was at first. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cineris has a great post up on some anti-nerdist advertising. Er. Nerdisim? Nerdaphobia? He also has a post on his first impressions of Final Fantasy XII. His thoughs on the game are similar to mine, although thankfully he wasn&#8217;t baffled by the plot the way I was at first. [...]</p>
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